Episode 65 - With host Craig Norris and cohost Taylor Lidstone.
First Broadcast on Edge Radio, 9th February 2024.
In this episode, we explore the ‘Animedoro’ technique for boosting productivity and relaxation, delve into Australia’s most agonizing critters, and examine the evolving Australian accents influenced by region, age, and culture.
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CRAIG NORRIS
Hey, welcome to media mothership here on Edge Radio, 99.3 FM as well as streaming on YouTube and Twitch in some capacity. Yeah, you know, we're we're checking out a a bit of a alternative audio recording setup because. For anyone that tried to listen in by those streams last two weeks, there would have been a buzzing sound. Mm-hmm. Which we could claim was deliberate in an attempt to create some kind of. Torture for our listeners, but I would not do that. So I've been, yeah, having to clean it up. But now we're going to be trying to record it off. The the web stream. So we are of course listening on demand via edgeradio.org dot AU and yeah, please feel free to post. Chat comment in the window for YouTube or Twitch if the audio is just way out, we're trying an 8 second delay, so that's enormous. 8 seconds. So yeah, if you do try to chat, obviously any response we have is going. To be really, really. Out of date at the time you can SMS US directly on 0488811707 as well to let us know. Yeah, how was sounding. Give us some. Hardman, maybe. Right. So media mothership, Media Mothership is a show that explores how media shapes our understanding of the world around us. Last week we had. Daniel and Edwin, who are two indie film makers, talking about their techniques for world building and cinematography. So today's episode is going to be more. Of a survey. Of some unusual media news culture stuff that we've come across. I am doctor.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
OK. Yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Craig, joined by Lord Taylor. Hello. Yeah, I got my script out now. Yep. Doctor Craig, joined by Lord Taylor. And yeah. Have you done anything? Because I know you're. I mean, I'm a real doctor in a way. Yeah. Which does seem to.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
MHM.
CRAIG NORRIS
Somehow warrant that qualification? Yeah, media and journalism lecturer for 20 years. Well, I got the PhD. So I do feel that that is worthwhile establishing my credentials for a show that's about media. 30s, Your Lordship just amused me because it came up in a general discussion about various titles you've collected. This one was based on that Scottish plot of land scheme. Yes. I won't call it scam.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's technically it's technically a donation to a Wildlife Fund, so yeah. That's it.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, and that's great. Oh, that's great, actually. No, that is nice, right? Yeah. So, but you're also, you've got you've got a you're on a Dean.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Mr. Minister or Dean Minister as well through.
CRAIG NORRIS
Another scheme, scam, scam. Scam.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
OK, that one is more of a scam, but but not in Texas. Because it's legit that's legit in. What you got? Yeah, yeah. Texas.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah. Did you see that on one of those pop up things that came up on your website like you were just browsing something and? A pop up came up and it's like ohh click that.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
I actually. I was looking up. Qualifications you can get for free.
CRAIG NORRIS
Ohh wow really. Yeah. OK, what really curious now what you uncovered in that research?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Just that nice, yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
OK, right to be. Is it a Christian religious connection there? Well, I.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
I believe so. Some sort of, yeah, yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Don't believe so. But you're not sure.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Well, that's religion, I believe so, yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
It's a religion. Yes, it could be. What is it? My favourite one. The the Pastafarians, the Church of the Spaghetti Monster. People could.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Oh yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Be that it could be you.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Said. But that's not legit.
CRAIG NORRIS
At least I got flinch. Pot Kettle black helmet. Have you expanded into any other? Qualifications. Since we've last established your current.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Titles. I feel like I have. But I can't remember what it.
CRAIG NORRIS
Is alright? Well, if it does come to you over the next 40 minutes of the show, do feel free to let us know because yeah, I mean we've we've given you that Lord title for the show, but maybe there's another one we can put on there.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Hmm. OK.
CRAIG NORRIS
You've you you're doing your masters in education at the moment, so you can be MA.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Taylor and a tailor.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
That's true when when it comes to masters, the sort of archaic term for a person who has completed a masters is a magister, which I quite like. Yeah, yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Taylor. Really, magister. Really. Have you put that through that GPT to make. Sure. That is, or is that where that came? From no chat. GP magister. Yeah. It's close to being like, a a minister and some kind. Of legal court person.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
I I believe, well, I'm. I'm not sure whether it is the case, but when you've got.
CRAIG NORRIS
Magistrate or and?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
What's his name? His dark materials. And they've got the magisterium. I think that might be where I can't remember his name, but the fellow that wrote it, Philip Pullman, got it.
CRAIG NORRIS
From Manchester? Yeah. Alright well. Feel free to SMS in 04. 8881170.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Pretty wrong.
CRAIG NORRIS
Seven. If you can prove Taylor wrong. Yeah, I wonder if there's an archaic term for a doctor. Their PhD doctor. Not not medical doctor Ford.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
All right, well, let's let's queue up a little pallet cleanser.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Shall we queue up? Here we go.
CRAIG NORRIS
Is that a little loud? OK, Web article from Lifehacker. The anime Doro method. That I.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Mean I've heard of.
CRAIG NORRIS
Pomodoro yes. So this is the animadores method which can make you more productive giving you while giving you more down. Like you know, I've been in a bit of a funk coming. Out of Christmas funk. OK, I'm trying to get musical theme funk. Just trying to get productive again. So it always reminds me of that great episode of Red Dwarf where the character of Rimmer is preparing for his exams and they.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
The novelization I love because it goes into a bit more depth, but they talk about how he his his regime of getting prepared for the exam involves 95% of it involves basically planning. Yes, right. So you have various highlighters and colours and breaking down the time ahead and.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Hmm.
CRAIG NORRIS
And then running out of time because he spent all this time.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Looking in how best to be productive to prepare for an exam so he doesn't get to prepare for the exam.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Apart from that, one time he had. His spasm. I can't remember that.
CRAIG NORRIS
And did he pass?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
No, of course you do.
CRAIG NORRIS
That so yes, I feel like I've I've done that error in terms of being doing a little bit of research into. What the current? Status is of the getting things done manifesto. This one amused me because it linked to anime. So basically it's confusing. Yeah, so it sets itself up as as as.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
OK. So all the seething.
CRAIG NORRIS
The spin off of the. Pomodoro what is the Pomodoro technique?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
If I've I've I've heard of it. Never actually done. You.
CRAIG NORRIS
Right. It's the 20 minute one.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
It's it's it like breaks, hmm.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, 2025 minute. Various permutations of it. Basically, it's a kind of work for X number of minutes, then give you an X minute break so people usually. Well, I usually do at 25 minutes of doing this task and you'll have this little clock. Either a physical clock or or. You can get these Pomodoro apps and so forth that you you. That how long you want to do your task for and then it'll give you. Like you said, a 5 minute break. And you can set it. Up to, you know, like. You do four or five four sessions and then you give yourself a 15 minute.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Break or something like that. So that reminds me of like hit. In terms of like, OK, no, in terms of like regime for in the gym, high intensity interval training, it's pretty much the same. OK. Yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Thing. Yes, yes. So and I. I think probably. Philosophy underpin both of them is the same. Don't go into seeing this task. As a as a kind of monolith. The overwhelming commitments break it down into smaller bite size. Through engagements.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah, and cause otherwise you your brain will start to sort of. Ohh, just go and look at this store online.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, you could find yourself being distracted. You could get swept down with a lot of self defeatist narrative. I'll never get it done. It's too much. So anyway, Pomodoro techniques for us often recommended for for many people to try because it's.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Very simple, I should try it, yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
So this this. Josh Chan. Ben is a student and and Med student who three years ago uploaded a video explaining how, over the course of four months, he was able to study for 600 hours and still watch 300 hours of enemy wow, so nine. So he studied 600 hours and then 300 hours and talk about. 900 hour chunk of data over three years studying for his Med. Studies. So in simple terms, this technique is a variation of the Pomodoro technique, which we've established, and this is 1 involving your work for 25 minutes you do a break for 5 minutes and then you work for. Another 25 minutes, five breaks on. The original Pomodoro schedule provides, you know, coffee breaks after four sessions, so. Now, the anime doro technique mixes this up a bit. It uses chens model. But you'll work for 40 to. 60 minutes at a time, so it's a bit more recommitment, but the The thing is then you give yourself a 20 minute break, which is the amount of time you need to watch an episode of a TV show.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Well, so, so this would really work for me is all I can say because I'd be working and then I'll have to watch some anime and ohh God I have to watch some anime.
CRAIG NORRIS
Right, or an anime?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Watch it and at the end of it, we're like ohh yes. I'm back to work, yes.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, yeah, it could work that way. I mean, one of the things about it though that I wondered about was the. If the. I I like a cliffhanger episode. Mm-hmm. And can you resist bingeing it all of a sudden at that moment where it tips into? No, no. I've gotta see the next episode because I'm so wrapped up in seeing what happens next. So I. Yeah, I I'm. I'm unsure whether or not it will be effective because it relies upon. The anime fandom Ness of you, right? It's like I'm I'm rewarding myself, right? So I'm gonna study for a longer period of time, 60 minutes, which is a long slog. Right. I'd say that could also be for some people, it might fall apart there. It's like 60 minutes. You could find yourself getting. A little distracted after 20. But. Yeah, so you get a long period of time to study and then you looking forward to your animes as a reward. But 20 minutes again you can suddenly get yourself. Into a binge mode and then a gilt mode, and then your Rimmer. You're not done your exam. Yeah, it's an interesting idea. Do you? So how do you? Break down your production schedule. Do you use pop? Culture, do you? Reward yourself in any way after certain periods of time or.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Just do it. That's what I do. I do it when I get bored. I'll do something else and then go back to it and then. Yeah. It's done before I know it.
CRAIG NORRIS
And and you've been able to meet most of your assessment deadlines. Yes, you, yeah.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
All of them, yes. OK. Because I guess Full disclosure here, I lose you like her for a number of subjects. And there was 1 great assignment which you never submitted, which was the one you pitched. It was in the video game unit, I think. Or. Yeah. Piece of very high concept idea of doing a discord based analysis in.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah. It was like.
CRAIG NORRIS
Hip hop where you're going to create these plots. It's going to be emergent storytelling.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
I failed every subject that semester and semester after it was because of an I'm a different reason and the reason no. Fairy.
CRAIG NORRIS
100 litres, right? Not the Pomodoro technique, not. Alright, OK, fine.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
You're forgiven.
CRAIG NORRIS
During the home. Certainly could have helped.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Not in.
CRAIG NORRIS
That case, the enemy Dora technique.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
But I think I might use it for other things, but I think I generally tend to do it automatically. I just take like a break of doing something like a I don't know, a little online Game Match or something like that and then go back to it again.
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CRAIG NORRIS
Alright, me and mothership here and Doctor Craig, joined by Lord Taylor. Australia's most painful creatures. What is the link between this article and media?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
I'm. I'm gonna have a guess because there's a fellow that. What's his name? Something like coyote something. And he got very popular on YouTube. Filming himself, being bitten. That's right. And stung by very many. Terrible things.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, yeah. And it became a bit of a trend, right? So this was. An article in abc.net dot AU. It's it was a piece. Written by. Brianna Morris grants talking with venom expert Brian Frey.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
I'd like to be a venom.
CRAIG NORRIS
And he he's got ranking Australia's most painful creatures and I just want to go through them because yeah, it's in conversation with that huge trend which swept through, if you haven't seen those youtubes of there's there's a couple of youtubes. Under the. The television. Yeah, we're people. You're basically.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah, so Australia's 10 most venomous creatures #10, Gina Rinehart.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yes. OK, #10. Yeah, I have a singer for that. It's the bullant. What's interesting to me about the Bullants. So the article goes on to talk about. Have you ever been stung by bullant or bitten? The Jack jumper. Oh, the other jumper. Yes, Jack. The article specifies the Australian Jack jumper and.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Fair temper. That's a bigger and bigger kind.
CRAIG NORRIS
I think, yeah. Is more likely to cause severe allergic reactions, and that's what a lot of people say about the the Jack jumper that it can actually cause her.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
And then we name a sports team after. It yeah, go figure.
CRAIG NORRIS
Ohh, they're aggressive. If you look at Tasmania, he's quoted as saying. If you at Tasmania it seems there's something with that species of Bullant. It's not necessarily that there's more. Being but it seems to be a particularly allergic one. Allergenic, allergenic. Sorry, I don't know the difference is there. What's? It's a bit of a Tasmanian rite of passage possibly, is it? Send now. Yeah, 0488811707. Is it a rite of passage? Right. Everyone has a story of getting their first. Jack champion.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
That's true, I'd say, yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, I mean it weeds out. Survival. Fittest. No. That's very cruel. #9 for giant water. Bug which seems a little odd.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Because it doesn't water. Is.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yell out danger to me, giant water bug. It's like ohh you went down to. The swamp looks like.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
A cockroach, yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
So these bugs. Are mainly live mainly in freshwater near Eastern Australia and the Indo Pacific, so you're unlikely to be here in task. It doesn't have mouth parts, so essentially it stabs you with this big drinking straw, injects you with a bunch of digestive enzymes and then sucks it up. It kills its prey by digesting them to death, and it really, really hurts to be digested to death.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Wow.
CRAIG NORRIS
Caterpillars is #8. Have you have you been bitten by? Insects or any of?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
These. Oh, I've been bitten by everything.
CRAIG NORRIS
Oh well, let's keep going down. The list? Maybe there's a story. So caterpillars were Professor Fry's first envenomation envenomation chases to be voluntarily venomed.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
I think so, yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Son. And the memory is lasting, so it's quoted as saying I was the dumb monkey who. Picked up the. Slow moving animal that was brightly coloured and out during the daytime. It goes on to say the really brightly coloured caterpillars of any kind are going to be the ones that are going to hurt you in some way, right? That's. Interesting, right? So you think really. Teleflex.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Patterned. It's like the tree frogs, isn't it? Right? Brightest tree frogs. Always the most venomous. Yeah. Or ones that are trying to look venomous. And they're not at all. Oops.
CRAIG NORRIS
So the so it goes on to say if they've got spikes, you have a pretty good idea, they're venomous. If they're smooth, you have a good idea. They're poisonous. Yeah. So you know, venom.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Ah yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Like they could detect you and injects them like a snake bites venom venomous attack. Whereas if you. Eat something like the cane turd. Right? That's poisonous. I.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Believe I don't know. I've never eaten.
CRAIG NORRIS
The cane poisonous. So if these caterpillars he's talking about. Have spikes, so you've got a pretty good idea there for them. So the poisonous ones are basically suicide bombers. They induce profound nausea, gastric pain, but that eat this is not going to forget it. OK, #7 is the Hellfire. Anemone anemone.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
And then.
CRAIG NORRIS
Anemone. Anemone is a water based one right. Yeah. So he says it's exactly about as much fun as it sounds. Anemone, its tentacles split into branches again and again, making it look. Like a little broccoli. The powerful stings can cause skin ulcers on humans are made of mine, who stung on a collecting trip, and he couldn't get out of bed for three days because he was in.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Absolute agony. So how did you pronounce broccoli?
CRAIG NORRIS
Broccoli.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
That's how you spelled. Do you pronounce that?
CRAIG NORRIS
How do you pronounce it?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
You you pronounced it. Coli, coli like E coli.
CRAIG NORRIS
Brooklyn.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Heiko. E.
CRAIG NORRIS
Coli. Well, get around. There's another article about accents. It's easy to see.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
That's what I said.
CRAIG NORRIS
Why? I personally discovered it got absolutely drilled by it because it's very pretty animal. Ohh, it's chemical crab mugger. I don't understand that.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
I think Krav Maga is like a a like a fighting, very vicious fighting that they teach in for like the Marines, U.S. Marines.
CRAIG NORRIS
Ah. Ohh right really. Right. So yeah, it's saying it's it's basically a. Self defence style for chemically. Please. All right, #6 crown of thorns starfish. I I've. Been doing GoPro recently under jetties.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Ohh really have you.
CRAIG NORRIS
And yeah, Ryan says that that we we video recorded one of these down at the domain.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
All right.
CRAIG NORRIS
JD there if you would like to see those videos.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Help with. Them in the.
CRAIG NORRIS
Show notes. It's a big fishing in little tazzie. I've started that Channel up last.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Week I liked all your videos.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, yeah. So the chronicling starfish. Alright, so up to 21 arms, hundreds of thorns and a taste for coral. That's how the Australian Institute of Marine Science describes these starfish which this Aaron played proportions. Yeah, and the good. GoPro footage I did under the the jetty there the domain it's just.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Ohh.
CRAIG NORRIS
Starfish. It's just barren rock and starfish. Adults can grow up to 80 centimetres wide, so huge when you're retouching them. The spines are so sharp they just went through my gloves. It just hurt. So the Professor Frank goes on to say they're commonly encountered by divers. They're treated like this invasive species, but they are, in fact. Native to the Barrier Reef, it's not their fault the professor goes on to say it's not their fault. We created the perfect environment for them.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Do you know what the invasive species in Tasmania is which was brought over which was brought over from? See at you. Japan, in the ballast of ships.
CRAIG NORRIS
Seaweed, or sea urchins.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yes. See, we really it's coming and it's I think it's illegal to take it because they want to take it and like destroy it and make sure that it's seeds don't go elsewhere. Which sea?
CRAIG NORRIS
Right. Yes.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
It's very, very.
CRAIG NORRIS
But delicious. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So yeah, the the professor goes on. To say that. We removed the major predators of the corner of Starfish, which were the. Big sea snails. What did you call them? The CIS nails? No.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
The stuffy, he said the corner.
CRAIG NORRIS
Corner of thorns. Corns. OK.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Crap. Crap.
CRAIG NORRIS
We can the defences. Yep. So similar thing with the sea urchin. I've heard that. The sea urchin has been able to dominate certain parts of the Tasmanian eastern coast. I think most of it now because the Jack.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Rock, rock, or. The Rock lobster has been harvested and the size of them needs to be quite large. To be able to. Kill the search. Break it.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Your part.
CRAIG NORRIS
Up. Yeah. So we have equally in Tassie created the perfect. Conditions for the search and well done. Everyone. Yeah, but I think there are attempts, of course cyro and imass here to hopefully turn that back. #5 is more of a classic one. Red back spiders. You ever counted one of these guys?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Ohh, I believe I think I have. Somewhere, but it wasn't in Tasmania.
CRAIG NORRIS
No, I don't. Yeah, I've not seen them in Tessa yet. So the Australian Museum says more than 250 people stung by these spiders need anti venom every year. The websites great because as. You Scroll down, it's got this little animation that kicks in of little red back spiders.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
It's it's it's very evil that they've done that.
CRAIG NORRIS
Crawling across your screen, yeah. So he describes the pain as an intense local pain. It's basically like putting putting your genitals into a welding torch.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
That's. Even if it, like, bite you on the. Arm still feels like that.
CRAIG NORRIS
There have been no deaths reported since 1950s, when the animal venom was introduced into Australia. #4 Stingrays, and we saw a skate which is related to the Stingrays. Imagine over at Woodbridge. Footage available. See on big fishing in little tazzie. Feel like I'm not. I mean, it's it's citizen science. Of course it's going to be a little offshoot. I'm. Hoping to build it up for media mothership. Because yeah, we got GoPro. Off and yeah, this amazing footage of of escape. That was underneath the jetty there anyway, so he goes my personal top three most painful experiences in my life. #3 is scorpion in the Amazon. #2 is the Stingray in Moreton Bay. The only thing that exceeds the Stingray for me was breaking my back in three places. Wow.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
OK. So breaking back in two places. Cause less less.
CRAIG NORRIS
Unlike stone fish, the Stingray has. Mechanical damage, he says. It's not the going in that's the problem. But those barbs, when they yank it back, it just leaves the jacket tear. Ohh.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Ah. Like good old Steve Irwin.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, that's right, 2006 federal things are rare with the most. Credible being the death strain conservationist Steve O in 2006. Stone fish here. We. Go. Yeah, a couple of times. I've seen these around Tassie. Oh really? Yeah.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
You have bought them.
CRAIG NORRIS
I think it was a starfish.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
I think they were.
CRAIG NORRIS
In Tasmania, I don't know, maybe it's something it's garnered then garnered. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Spiky and.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Oh, good, good thing. Yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
The spikes are venomous, are they?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Is that I believe so.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, masters of camouflage. Stonefish have a series of spines along their back. They can inject venom when stepped on. There are two types in Australia, the reef stonefish and the estuary stonefish, which is also called the horrid stonefish or. Sinan, CIA horrida. Put music underneath that. They're less potentially lethal doses than the box jellyfish, but like a box jellyfish, they. Can kill you. From the pain alone. Ohh Ouch. People have done things like cut their finger off to get the pain to stop. People lose their minds over the pain with the stonefish.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Why?
CRAIG NORRIS
The same fish, like all fish, the venom is very sensitive to heat, so it breaks down very easily. OK, all you have to do is put the effective limb in water for around 50°. That's around 50° and you're fine. That's enough to denature the venom and stop the pain. Alright. So yeah, like. All fish the venom is very sensitive to heat.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
So well.
CRAIG NORRIS
#2 is the classic box jellyfish. The classic. Yep. And there were reports the. Box Jellyfish, I think was a. Box jellyfish down here in. Tassie, I think I.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Saw one. Yeah, yeah. No. One of them, yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, the box Jelly fish is named for its box shaped belt or head, and it's most found in tropical waters along the top of WA. Midland territories and through Queens. Bland it takes 2 metres of tentacle combined contact to kill you. Alright, so two metres of tentacle. So if you managed to get 2 metres of a tentacle combined touching you, you're you're looking at that. But they've got 4 nodes of tentacles. Each node has 15 tentacles and each tentacle has. This can be 3 to 4 metres long, so if you do the maths a big big box jellyfish can potentially have 120 lethal doses brushing against your leg, northern territories. Stinger season officially started October 1st last. This year and is expected to continue until May this.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Year why would you ever go into the water?
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, well there. Are two ways to die from these stings? Professor Frey says the 1st is within the first 2 to 5 minutes with the pain. That's going to be the shock that's all about managing your blood pressure. Victims are crashing to lethal hypertension level levels. Alright, if they survive that, they have a 20 to 30 minutes chance of 20 to 30 minutes later dying from cardiovascular collapse from the venoms. Direct effects on the cardiovascular system.
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CRAIG NORRIS
Well, venoms being described as taking an iron poker, heating it up to molten levels, dipping it in acid and then whipping it as hard as you can. Across the person. Oh, they get dermon and dermo necrotic. Wow demon aquatic burns.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Alright. Right, show your skin.
CRAIG NORRIS
Which are exactly. Wow, dermo necrotic sounds like a video game. Number one is one I've never heard of the Edu kanji.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
I've never heard that before either.
CRAIG NORRIS
No. You do kanji looks like another kind of. Jellyfish thing so it causes extreme anxiety, shooting pains, fluid in the lungs and potential brain haemorrhages.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Hmm.
CRAIG NORRIS
Well, it may be just one to two centimetres large. You're kidding. One to two centimetres. That's tiny. But the Irukandji jellyfish can have deadly impact. More than that, Professor Fry. It says it can be the mental injuries that cause far. More damage. Your average civilian who gets stung by one of these things is not going to have the lifetime of mental scar tissue I've accumulated. Alright, so he's talking about how he was able to get through it. Trauma is far and away the worst in the sense in this sense, and does cause actual mental injuries. So he goes on to say each tentacle is up to a metre long. So even though, yeah, I guess even though the body is only one to two centimetres, the tentacles are very. So he goes on to say that the the pain goes on for two weeks or more successively getting worse as time goes on. It is a brutality, a physical torture, says Professor Frey. I've heard it from multiple people who've been stung almost the exact same words. Where they describe an impending feeling of doom. Umm, there's this psychological effect that is as traumatising to these people as the physical impact of the.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Oh. Pain like exam.
CRAIG NORRIS
Well, there's no anti venom. We have no way of neutralising it at this point. All you can do is treat the symptoms. There's a million different ways to produce. Yeah. Pain, and in the case of the iocane, whatever pain pathway it's going through, it's not one of those pain pathways that morphine blocks. Morphine has no effect on these. Wow, that's a really fascinating point. Yeah. That that, you know, morphine. And I guess other painkillers block certain pain pathways, but the IT can it changes. You know the thing that it does. To produce that pain. Can't be blocked by even something as powerful as morphine.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
What if a different poppy product would work? It's morphine is made out of poppies, and so is. A number of illegal drugs. I wonder if they would end up working cause they work in a different manner or something I don't.
CRAIG NORRIS
Know. Yeah, yeah, I want. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I. Mean it is interesting to think, yeah, that there. There are some pains which. Are are not treatable or still being discovered? All right, moving on, I. Accepted all cookies. That's dangerous. ABC also has a little article talking about Australian accents changing across different generations, regions and cultures. This is just a nice bit of audio talking about three types of Aussie accents. Yeah. So this was a. Uh. A little piece from the Macquarie Universities Department of Linguistics. Uh. Breaking down how? How accents work and if there are differences now the main difference?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Do the do the regional accent differences that it says there.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So some of the. So yeah, breaks down. So there are some meant to be some regional accent differences. And the three words they tested are here, Paul and dance. Right. I'll play the they've recorded this as we're recording. We'll play first. So this is various Aussie accents from ABC presenters and we'll see if you can hear the different ways that hear Paul and dance are being said allegedly. I'll give you the. CHEAT SHEET in terms of regional differences. In WA, they're meant to say here. Here, here NSW says here, here, here. Here. Pool says poo. Poo poo. SA says poo poo poo POW, pool pool. I'll go to the pool. I'll go to the pool. So there's no L dance.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Thought it's like he just, just, just he. Field.
CRAIG NORRIS
In South straight, it sounds like aunts, aunts, so I'm from South Australia so.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
That works, that works.
CRAIG NORRIS
In Queensland, it sounds like ants, dance, dance, dance. So let's listen.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Let's listen.
CRAIG NORRIS
And Suzanne? Let's listen to this and it was working. Wow. Ohh yeah, I know, I know why. I know why. I know why. OK, I know. Why? Alright, I'll put on.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
That's pretty good, isn't it? OK, that helps. No it doesn't. Help.
CRAIG NORRIS
I did check this out. Ohh there we go. Yeah. How do you say dance anyway? You. Wanna try that?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
And I'm not from South Australia.
CRAIG NORRIS
Get just. Here we go. Here we go.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Here.
CRAIG NORRIS
Chance of these guys. Alright, alright, here we go. It's.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Worth it is that even? Coming through there.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, OK. It's live radio people.
Speaker 3
Let's start with this one. Just read it out and.
CRAIG NORRIS
That's not.
Speaker 3
Then read it. Down into the camera.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
There's no chance of please guys here in.
CRAIG NORRIS
Melbourne but here with.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
The like going to the pool.
CRAIG NORRIS
There's no chance of please.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
God.
CRAIG NORRIS
Here, here, here, here, here I go. Choose headphones. Here we go. Alright, so here. Alright. Ohh yeah, so each one of these presenters says the following phrase. There's no chance of clear skies in Melbourne, but here we feel like getting going to the pool, so there's no. Chance getting. Going of clear skies in Melbourne, but here we feel like going to the pool, OK?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Right.
Speaker 3
Let's start with this one. Just read it out and then read it. Down into the camera.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
There's no chance of clear skies here in Melbourne, but. Here we feel like.
CRAIG NORRIS
There's no. So again, that was the pool. Ohh it's pool W pool pool. Next one's from Sydney. No chance of clear skies in Melbourne, but here we feel like going to full. Alright, so yeah, could have been we're.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
See. Yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
An L pull pull here. Yeah. So that HEB.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
There's no chance of clear skies in Melbourne, but here we. Feel like going? To the pool. Ah, here, here.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So many people say there's no, it's not much of a difference in the Australian accent and and really there isn't you. Have to really drill down. There's there's slight intonation differences. I think so. Yeah. So, yeah, historically, researchers have classified Australian accents as broad, general and cultivated. So the idea being that the broad accents think of Someone Like You, Steve Irwin. Maybe you're Paul Hogan. It's not. It's going back a bit. So Steve. Irwin's general accents, which are the most common so the example they give is Kevin Rudd. Which I had no memory of them. Yeah, come on there. And the cultivated accents, which people can see is a bit more posh. Think of your Cate Blanchett.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Very common. Yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Right. So yeah, like? The dance. Did you go to the dance? Yes, cultivated S straight.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah, that's very cultivated.
CRAIG NORRIS
So yeah, that's the stereotype of how people in the past have tried to classify the Australian accent I'll play. There's a nice little clip from this ABC show where they interviewed people in the 1950s. I think 6.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah. MHM.
CRAIG NORRIS
Talking about the Aussie accent, we'll listen to the start of it, see if there's a difference in the voices we hear. Hear, hear, hear.
Speaker 4
Hello everybody. We're in the international part of Sydney Today Kings Cross under rather doubtful looking skies to us the passing people a question. What is our question? Oh yes, do Australians speak with a bad accent?
Speaker 5
No, not really. I think they're careless in their speech, but I don't think it's a bad accent. I'm a true Aussie and I really like to talk about them really well, so I don't think there's anything wrong with their speech at all, only that. They're a little care, you're.
Speaker 4
Proud of yourself as an Australian? AM a bad accent. A bad accent? Yes, a bad accent. I don't think so. Like they got a good accent. Do you think Australians speak with a bad accent? No good actually. What do you say then? Do you think Australians speak with a bad accent? I think that speak with a very good. Accent. What do you? Say. Real Australian real Australia, because we're because we're Australian.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Time.
Speaker 4
Do you think it's trade in speak with a bad accent?
Speaker 5
Well, it just depends.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Some of them do. Some of them don't, just depends.
CRAIG NORRIS
We we could try that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Walk around do box pops. Do you think Australians speak with a poor accent? I don't know. Cultural cringe, tall poppy syndrome and strains are notorious for having that kind of self deprecating. Narrative towards themselves. Interesting about accents always like the story of Kath and Kim. People trying to learn the Australian accent. So Kath and Kim was this mechanism. People were learning Australian accents through, you know, look at money money so.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
And then Fast forward to today, where Bluey is the main one. Of that, yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Well, that's right. I mean, I don't think the Australian accent. Well, I mean gone are the days where Mad Max notoriously was dubbed into American English because the sense was that it would not be understood with that accent for an American audience would be, yeah, your Midwest or yeah.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Did you hear that? It's bluey month. This month at Bunnings, also known as Hammer Burn.
CRAIG NORRIS
Wow, I wonder how much they invested in to getting.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
That so if if you go to Glenorchy Bunnings, it's rebranded as Halliburton. Now you can go in there and buy some things.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
From the show and that sort of things.
CRAIG NORRIS
Right. I've not seen blood heat. Yeah, cuz. Is Haband an in Weld?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Reference sort of to. Wow. And they've sort of, like, taken it on board and they had these like garden gnomes featuring little garden gnomes that look like dogs that were in the show. And I went there really early on and bought four of them. They've gone now, gone down to where I can only buy one of them. And most places have sold out. So I bought them. For $19.00 each and they're now up around $250 each.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, spec. It reminds me of those ushi things Woolworths where it's like somebody there's a speculator market. What would Karl Marx say? What's the use value versus exchange value of these products? Right, exactly. So the kind of garden.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Gnome things. They're little garden gnome things. They're really cheaply made, but The thing is, they're not available in America, and America will pay a pretty penny to get it from here.
CRAIG NORRIS
Right cause, of course, yes, bluey. Incredibly successful. Australian. In his anime. When I'm thinking of successful cartoons, it's like. Is it is Japanese? No. Yeah, in this case, Australia being able to actually produce content for the global.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Something that's good, very strong.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, great. I mean, the wiggles, we seem to have the ability to create quite engaging children's content, which is fantastic.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Oh yeah, yeah. Hmm, yeah. And you've got, like, kids in America now who are going around with Australian accents because I've learned through bluing.
CRAIG NORRIS
Right. Yeah. Look at in K Pop, after this, we've got K pop coming up in 15 minutes. Yeah, there's Australian key pop performers who will be interviewed and asked to say something in Australian English.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah. And also, what did they say that was kind of crazy, yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
Again, now we'll see if we can dig it up, play it on the episode again, but yeah. Yeah. So and what's interesting to me about this though is. I always love that soft. Power theory. It's a little. Dated and and has been superseded. But yes, but but still I think. It it explains. At one level quite effectively, the idea of at least recognising how ideas global power isn't simply the country which has the most military it can involve the perception of other countries cultural identity, and if you have like. And the the question there. Being you know how, how do you get other countries to, you know, see you as? Either for instrumentalist purposes, like driving a tourist industry, or you know, you know, wanting to negotiate trade deals or something. And one way is through culture, this idea of soft power rather than hard power military. So it is interesting that bully represents parts of Australian identity, certainly at a. At a language level, right? The Australian vernacular, yeah.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
And they use a lot of.
CRAIG NORRIS
Uh.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
The words that what's it called?
CRAIG NORRIS
Like the Captain Kim business.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Common common words that a particular place uses. Yeah, ones like that.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah. And it is interesting then how I guess in terms of media mothership, you have a property like Bluey that then a commercial company like. Runnings decides that it matches in some way, right? So obviously they perceive in bluey aspect. Of a Bunnings identity which overlaps, they can see as expressing it, but then taking that extra step of doing a bit of world building and labelling aspects of the store in the Bluey universe. Language. Yeah, I mean, I'm I I quite like that idea as someone that that that's been to Disneyland. Number of times those kind of efforts to a nurse, one in a fictional space. Yeah, well, SMS now if you've. If you've had any experiences down there of Bluey 048881170? Seven. Or see the other aspect. That you're hinting to here is how you've got that kind of cultural economy of Blues. So people going into Bunnings to enjoy. You know the the cultural connections. I'm a blue fan and you go there and have a kind of instead of a boring time, a little bit magical. Wow, this is. Much more interesting, but then you've got a a kind of fan economy there or not, maybe even maybe fan or speculator economy. Yeah, right. Where there are. Collectibles. And then you've got that narrative of demand and supply. So that there's a. Speculator market that can occur mean I came across a really. Interesting article about the. Louvre in France. I think it was a Louvre that had a special exhibition linking Vincent Van Gogh's work and Pokémon. Right. Yeah, yeah. And they released a number of Pokémon cards that were done in that impressionistic Vincent van Gogh style with a great bowler hat or something, and there were a number of firings that occurred in the Louvre of the staff that were hired because the staff started to.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
I think I saw that.
CRAIG NORRIS
Grab cards to then sell on set right? So yeah, this this weird economy can break out.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Oh yeah. I think I had. There was some sort of violence with as well. Like people were like shoving people trying to get to the front, trying to get these cards.
CRAIG NORRIS
Well, yeah, because they they had to. The article was talking about. How they've after a, you know, a short period of time they. Stopped. Saying they were. Available they they withdrew the availability of all of them. You can't go there to get cards so they they completely stripped away the that that whole fanisha Ness of it and. Yeah. And instead, you know. Big idea. The question there is, yeah, why? Are people engaging? With it is it is it for the arts? Because I guess the idea being that Pokemon could be an entry gateway into art, right? You got high art.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Soon.
CRAIG NORRIS
And low arts in a. Way right. High Arts, your your classical classical art gallery. And you've got low. Art with Pokémon and in a way, you know, I guess Van Gogh's work not considered, you know, it was considered popular or or actually notoriously not popular. Yeah, not so. Look. Yeah. There's a number of really interesting things to unpack.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
During his life. Yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
There I believe.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
If it would just be Pokémon card collectors. Cause a lot of them trying to get everything and yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
We even have, I mean, like, yeah, I think don't have the same thing when they did Pokemon cards that were available. And then there was old speculators market. And once you get into that economy of limited edition runs, inevitably it's going to be. Taken over by a a predatory you know. Speculator market and and yeah, what's really interesting to me is that starts generating media like the very fact that it becomes seen as rare and valuable becomes the media story. Yeah well this.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
It becomes meaningful and people want to get it now because yeah, there's this horrible cycle which that can can unleash. And the psychology behind it fascinates me. That kind of firmer, the fear of missing out that can overtake people the yeah. And and at the end of the, of course, when you're looking at.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
Yeah.
CRAIG NORRIS
The actual material costs of these objects are minuscule, right? The the the actual cost of that Pokémon card or the Clay Gnome Blues? Is minuscule, right? A few dollars. It has a it has some mark up. To cover costs. And then you have these moments where they'll be taken over by a speculator market and yeah, you're no longer talking about, you know, what the. Value of this object is in terms of what? Are its material. Costs, what is its use value? What's its exchange value?
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
It's the rarity.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, you've got this whole fan speculator economy. And yeah, look, we're gonna set up a. Future show there's a number of people there's, like Wookie. I hit this reference to this guy called Wookie Tassie. He has a store pop culture store that trades and and sells in pop culture stuff. So it would be interesting to break that down and Marcus has been on the show. Has confessed his own collective interests with video games from the 80s. This, which he'll he'll collect. We had a castle, grey skull in here 2 weeks ago because I was complaining about my castle Grace garden being thrown out in a one of those cleaning binges. There's Marie konigs konigs.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
That's true.
CRAIG NORRIS
Cleaning binge. Anyway, let's meet your mother ship. Keep listening. Now to keep pop and limited anything going on with key pop.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
On limited just some songs. Great. And you're ill informed.
CRAIG NORRIS
Yeah, yeah, it would be great. So keep listening to Edge radio about K pop and limited coming up next. This will be media mothership. Another week we'll post up if you're interested in these articles, we'll post them up the show notes, which you can find on the media mothership, YouTube page or Facebook. Page. Yep, Yep. Facebook. Page, so do do hunt that down and. Yeah, there's been no. Comments. So I assume the eight second.
TAYLOR LIDSTONE
It's been 5.
CRAIG NORRIS
Has worked well. But thanks everyone for listening. This is me media mothership for. Another week. Keep listening to our radio.
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