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Dr Craig
Alright, welcome here to the media mothership, broadcasting out of Edge Radio Studios in Nepal. Luna. Hobart TAS. I am your guest. No. Host Doctor Craig, joined by Little Taylor. Hello, Taylor. Hello. And Baz. BA. You wanna have fulfil fulfil that, that joke.
BA Zeke
I'll be a act from the dead.
Dr Craig
Yes, so be Z. Lord Taylor. Father. Lord Taylor, Lord Taylor Taylor and Doctor Craig. So today we're going to be exploring, as always, how media can shape our understanding of the world around us. We're streaming over as much media as we can. To maximise our our impact on society, so we're on edgeradio.org dot AU YouTube and Twitch. You can message us if you dare on SMS 0488811707 or follow us up on the chat. On the YouTube or Twitch chat. Now today's topic. Is what happens when you combine one of the greatest detectives of all time with the latest advancement in artificial intelligence. So pretty much what we've been doing. For the last month, I think. The answer might surprise you. Which is such a cliche of a thing to. Say, but the answer might surprise you. It will surprise you in. Terms of my effort to. To put it together and Co hosts, so join us as we explore the latest media culture, news and fascinating world of deconstructing. Chat bots in Sherlock Holmes radio. It's pretty, pretty good. Yeah, pretty good. Pretty, pretty good. There's moments in the show. Where I'm just kind of like, ah, where's my?
Chatbot
I've searched an. Example, But I still.
Dr Craig
Man, I just got to. Do a quick Google search what software auto stop. OK. It happens every time. Dealer news. Let's jump straight into. Because I've I've been quite excited about the news that I've come across. Over the last week, so the first story I want to look at is someone has used Unreal Engine 5 to turn Tokyo into a playable anime that you can explore right now, and this is reported on games Radar. So basically the story breaks down how a? A creator. Yan Ru made anime Tokyo and it's a realistic and. The article claims beautifully recreated version of Tokyo in the Unreal Engine 5 software. The project showcases the features of Unreal Engine five, such as lumen Nanite and Ray.
Lord Taylor
Tracing. Do you know what you're talking about?
Dr Craig
No, I don't. But it is a summary. The demo is available for free and has three different modes, sunny mode. Overcast mode and anime. Plus mode. We're just anime mode. I think just.
Lord Taylor
Anime mode OK.
Dr Craig
The projects.
Lord Taylor
Anime Plus is what it.
Dr Craig
Says yeah. Yeah, cause I imagine this just anime moon and then he thought we've gotta take that to the next.
Lord Taylor
Level anime plus anime plus doesn't mean anything sort of like adult related either. It says that it's puts a beautiful pinkish blue philtre over the presentation. As well.
Dr Craig
Yes, yes, I'm. Yeah, well, I. And so it's interesting how he's defining anime in this space, because it's very much that cute. Show your space. I've gotta dabble in it. If my computer can withstand the the unleashing of anime Tokyo. Into it, but yes, it seems like from the video I was watching, you know, your avatar is kind of an anime girl and you're running around the city. It's not a game per SE, though I immediately went into GTA wishing there was kind of some unwell. And suddenly, you know, violence.
Lord Taylor
It's just, it's just like a running simulator sort of thing.
Dr Craig
Yeah, it seems that the thing that's really create an interest around this is the effort to kind of. For realism authenticity. So it's this, it's this. Weird hybrid of. You know, obviously the anime plus thing and the philtres, which are fictional, you don't really have that experience unless you're on mushrooms in Tokyo, I think. It probably yeah, if you if you have been to Tokyo and had mushrooms has this don't Add all contact us just. Stay anonymous, please love God. But it does strike me as a very fictional version in terms of its lenses that's applied, but it's got an aspect of reality to it that is that. The the urban geography that it's created seems one to one that certainly the run through that I looked at immediately brought me back to. Pretty much a a a photo realistic Google streetscape view of of this environment. It's not Google script. It's it's kind of GTA like, so you think of the, you know, latest GTA game graphics with the accuracy of Google Street escape.
Lord Taylor
The thing is, with this, once you throw it into a VR landscape. Then people I I think that is what will really. Sell it, I think.
Dr Craig
It. Yeah. Look, I mean, it's tricky with the versions of Vertigo when you're going in in motion in I I find at least in the VR experience, I've had what I have to do is put. A fan in front of me, so do I.
Lord Taylor
The same thing.
Dr Craig
Stop my gag impulses. Because it is interesting in terms of how, yeah, immersive VR is. But if you're standing still, your body knows you're standing still. And I was reading the science behind this might be wrong. I I read that you know, one of the reasons why you get car sick similar to VR. Music. Is that your body is is stationary yet? Your your eyes are. Seeing things in motion and so within, allegedly from this half from handed. Facebook Post it was saying, you know, your your body thinks it's being poisoned, right? It kind of decodes that and says, you know, one other experiences in my genetic makeup have my body standing still. Yet the world's spinning around me. It's poison, so I've got to get rid of that poison by throwing up. So, allegedly, that's why you want to throw up. Your stationary in your car, your car, the world around you is moving similarly with VR. You know, why is our body triggering A cheque that out if you?
BA Zeke
What is actually anime?
Dr Craig
Well, OK, so it seems that the animate so you can do those three different, you know modes sunny mode, which I assume just.
BA Zeke
Makes it sunny. Sunny. Yeah.
Dr Craig
Overcast mode, cloudy, and an anime mode. So it seems that there's. A. There's a a colouring lens which comes over it as well as your avatar is an anime figure.
BA Zeke
Right. How does they like? Is it just for their 3D models and stuff? They're not like it's not drawing. It's like like a drawing or anything or.
Dr Craig
It's it's. Yeah, that's the interesting thing about it. It is 3D modelled from what I can tell in terms of the structures look highly realistic and the actual geography and spacing of it looks highly realistic, but there is some stylism to it, you know, and I was thinking it was reminding me quite a bit of. One of my. Favourite theories? I should have a little. There Craig's favourite theories. Techno orientalism, because it has a bit of a techno orientalism vibe. You know this idea. That for many Westerners, particularly if you're an anime or manga fan, you have this kind of exotic, often view of Asia or Japan as being this super techno place, particularly if you're a kind of a Akira ghost in the Shell Cyberpunk fan. Like me, you have just got a techno oriental fetish where you imagine you're. Going to Japan? And it's going to be just like an anime, and it's going to be. Super techno and super. Exotic and you're going to have, like, you know, cat egos with headphones. Sailor suits. I won't go into that further. Yeah, techno orientalism. So there's a bit of that in there, right, in terms of the anime plus version to me is techno Orientalism. It's interesting. It seems the designer is Asian himself, so then I would back that up with my second favourite theory, self techno Orientalism, where. The oriental. Within Saeed's notion of what oriental means as a Western construct is then, you know self identified with and.
Lord Taylor
So do you self identify as a techno cyberpunk oriental?
Dr Craig
Well, I could be a techno Occidental. You know the that's why I left Australia to go to Japan for many years because they didn't identify with Dundee and the lack of any techno in Australia that it was kind. Of koala.
Lord Taylor
Country, yeah.
BA Zeke
Occidental is imagine that like techno Australia, it's like techno, crocodile Dundee.
Dr Craig
I think Australia can only go Mad Max, right? It's gotta be kind of, you know, the techno aspect of Australia has got to be kind of post nuclear full half destroyed, cobbled together.
BA Zeke
Yeah, that's true.
Dr Craig
You know Steve Irwin?
BA Zeke
Yeah, yeah, it kind of has to be like. You know, like diesel cars. Yeah, like just or combustion engine cars. But like, modified a lot. Yeah.
Dr Craig
A kind of punk steam. You know, the technos there, but it's kind. Of knowledge we've. Lost. Yeah. And we've had to reinvent or cobble together. Through reverse engineering. So yeah, I I. In fact, maybe this could be a project we could try. Does anyone have skills? Like this to do, Hobart. Like we can do anime hope.
BA Zeke
I wonder, I don't know. I wonder how. Hard it is to.
Dr Craig
We could do a Mad Max Hobart.
BA Zeke
Yeah. I wonder how it is to model a city in nonetheless.
Dr Craig
I mean your point that I. Didn't know what I was talking about. Are you familiar with? Lumen that night and ray tracing. Did that mean anything?
Lord Taylor
I I've heard them. Lumen. I I would assume that's got something to do with lighting as in like lumens.
BA Zeke
Yeah, I would.
Lord Taylor
And then no, no, no. Ray tracing. Isn't that where it's like tracing the rays of light that comes off a particular object when it's in motion. I think something like that.
BA Zeke
I yeah, I think so. I think it might have something to do with like. Motion blur maybe?
Dr Craig
I don't know. Right.
Lord Taylor
The thing is, I saw this really interesting. Video in the week and it was about it was someone who had modelled so it. It's the same thing as sort of like ChatGPT, but it was with video. I kind of what it's called, but it uses a particular model which it has heaps of anime people and they took. A video of someone dancing and. Applied that model to it and it looked like a anime person dancing.
Dr Craig
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's interesting. You mentioned dancing again. Yeah, I remember around the the training of AI on dancing right that that, you know, one of the interesting things is people are trying to reverse engineer. Why the hell chat bots are suggesting bizarre things and saying? Well, we, we we they were trained on. All this data, but you know. It's only in their application that you're seeing some. With the the you know kind of inaccuracies of that training and one of the interesting things was, yeah, the the use of dance moves, right, you kind of, you know, Just Dance and so forth. All the people doing the kind of choreographed routines and putting them up to Instagram and TikTok and then some of the training was using similar images of dancing. To help them identify bodies in motion for some of, I guess the video algorithms which then have been created. Dancing, yeah. Yeah, let's intro. OK. So the other thing, of course during COVID was I know I was getting really excited about doing virtual tourism. I can't leave my Australia. Like Australia, so I'll do it in my video game right? So I know there was this thing like people playing the yakuza video game which was set in Japan and you know, talking about how, you know, it was just like, you know, you could go into a cinema at certain points in the game and kind of immerse yourself in that.
Lord Taylor
During lockdown, right? Yeah. Because I have a VR set and I'd just go into the main menu, which was like, it's like the outside of this building. And you can see all of the sea and the sky and the trees and everything like that. And so I just sitting there just in the main menu because I couldn't go outside doing locked.
Dr Craig
Down getting next strain from the. Each weight of the the headset. Yeah, yeah, no, look at, isn't it? Yeah, it is interesting with me. I I I like your suggestion of of this thing being applied to VR to see where it. Could go.
Lord Taylor
Yeah, 100% will, because I think that is where the money. Is I reckon, for this particular project.
Dr Craig
Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, it is interesting. And and I, I guess the idea I'm interested by also is that fiction and reality. Like it's saying, it's doing both. It's doing both fiction in terms of, you know, go to anime Tokyo, so it's not Tokyo, it's it's anime Tokyo. Hmm, with all the stylism of that and within that, the question is, well, what definition of anime is that? Is that the Akira anime? And getting get turned into. A giant Cyborg monster, cool. Or is that the kind of gibly my neighbour Totoro? You know, kind of cute, whimsical slice of life anime where I'm not going to be eaten by a monster. Well, I. Could be if it's the spirited away, yeah. I wouldn't mind that one either. Sorry. Yeah. Anyway, so there, there's there's question definitions about the anime fiction is that it's powered and within that, of course, questions of if you lived in Tokyo, how you would feel about. This fake image of this one that this isn't the Tokyo wake up to, right? You could imagine a salary man saying Tokyo is a soul crushing, dispiriting work environment which is driving me to lose my mind. Something like that, right, not everyone.
Lord Taylor
Yes, but think about it like if there was a a VR app which allowed you to look at Hobart to walk around Hobart and it was either done in this anime style or in the Mad Max style and you could see. Yeah, I think it would be pretty cool.
Dr Craig
Yeah, yeah, definitely. We'll see the thing that I find really interesting about that is there was a really interesting research project done by a sociologist here at UTAS, a tan. 20 years ago interviewing doing a research project on players of Grand Theft Auto and asking them how their gameplay of Grand Theft Auto because they. Were like really into it? How? How? They're playing of it changed their view of Hobart and some of the data was really interesting. Some of the people said they they never really saw Hobart as being an international or kind of. At all city right, they saw it as a kind of regional. Very much how that football player, Hawks captain said. You know. Nothing happens in Launceston and Hobart, it's a place I. Never want to live. Right. That view of it. So you know, people saying you know. Yeah, I never thought Hobart had anything to offer, but after playing GTA, when I drive my hungry jacks and see a group of kids and beanies, I think that's the gang. That's the gang mission that's there. There's a little mission I can pull over. Talk to those Beanie teenagers and unlock the gang mission in Hobart. Anything like this? Sometimes we're just frustrated.
Lord Taylor
GTA5. Quite a lot. I kind of it was like 900 hours or something like that on steam. I play it in first person mode, so it's like I'm in the car. And I noticed that my real driving was getting so bad because of it within the game. I forced myself to stay within the road rules of the game.
BA Zeke
Yes, I love that.
Dr Craig
So what are examples? As you were driving in? The real world where you said. You know, I'm this, this, this I gotta get back.
Lord Taylor
Into Rd rules. Well, it's like it's like you're just driving along and you just suddenly feel like if if I just went like that, I could just, like, swerve and speed around the corner.
Dr Craig
Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, because it is interesting. There are moments in the real world where you'll just have that feeling of frustration. And in the game world, those same feelings happen, right? You've got a mission. You gotta time mission. You gotta get through. And there's a lot of traffic at the intersection, and you have that feel like, oh, ******. But, you know, in the. Game that feeling disappears cause. Just plough through. Yeah. Right. So, yeah, no, I can understand. Obviously you're not a crazy person. Yeah, well, kind of says, you know, and I do it.
Lord Taylor
But also the fact that was like one of the best things to do in the game, obviously, is to knock people. Over and I wasn't gonna. Say that I was gonna be doing that.
Dr Craig
There's another interesting research paper on that point where this guy was watching a kid play GTA and it was one of the taxi missions where I can't remember which GTA game it was in, but it was explaining how he was watching the kid play this taxi mission. And as he was playing in the taxi, he'd hit the pedestrian. And the pedestrian would full of there'd be some kind. Of dynamic of pain. But then it would stand up and it would get in the taxi and drive off. Right. And. And the guy that was watching the teenager played this game was thinking, oh, well, this is everything that they want about games, right? It's violent. It's encouraging desensitisation to effects. And then he talked to the kid. He said, OK, so why did you do that? Why were you being so violent? In the game and he was explaining well, you know it's it's a bug in the game, right? And it's a way to quickly get the taxi mission done because it's it's really annoying waiting for people to get in your taxi. You pull over and you got to do this. The thing, however, there's a kind of min maxing you can do a cheat mode where you hit the pedestrian in the game, but the pedestrian AI isn't smart enough to know it's been hit by this taxi. It wakes up and then gets in your taxi, so it's an easier way to finish the game. So what? Was interesting. There was on the. Surface. It looks like the meaning of that is, you know, games create. Violent effect, but the gamer wasn't playing it for the thrill of being violent. He was playing it to finish the mission as quick. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
BA Zeke
As possible playing it. Puzzle and this is one way to finish the puzzle.
Lord Taylor
Well, the kid was just lying.
Dr Craig
I I choose not to believe. So interesting. Yeah, so. I do think there's there's there's. There's a direction here. There's little acorn here in this in this idea that I would like to think of applying to media mothership. I mean, at the moment we're deep diving into radio dramas and creating our. A little production studio. That people are going to be performing radio dramas. I'm waiting for the moment, the Theatre Royale Royale. Royale with Cheese does does one of our performance does one of our sherlocks. As as it's one month tour, right the the, the, the Australian Shakespeare community. Performs anyway, so yeah, we're doing that, but then the other projects I've got is this project, right? Well, what we're gonna do is go into video games and interview people in these video games as journalists. So we're going to GTA. No, no. We're going to Call of Duty. As war correspondents abiding by war, correspondence rules and interview, some of the really ******** clans. In character role, playing it and seeing and seeing how that goes like can can you play Call of Duty as a journalist abiding by journalist convention? So the Geneva well, whatever abides. Like like, don't shoot people. Right. As a journalist, like journalists. Shoot, people. They're they're, they're. And non combatants, right? Can you can you do anything in a Call of Duty game and interview people like that? Don't. That'd be fascinating. And we'll play it on air. And we'll see how long. We live.
BA Zeke
Not not long. That's my prediction.
Dr Craig
Probably. Probably. All right. All right. Welcome back here to Edge radio. 99.3. This is media membership with Doctor Craig, joined by Lord Taylor at BI Zeke.
BA Zeke
What up?
Dr Craig
New story #2 I love right cause it's just I mean again talking about those different. Ways of defining words like what is anime? This one is about a Twitch streamer that was immediately denied from getting a bank account after accidentally applying as an adult entertainer. So the story is this Twitch streamer who's called Pooper Noodle Pooper noodle. Do you watch Pooper noodle?
BA Zeke
No, although that name is unfortunate, considering what this story is. About so yeah, yeah.
Dr Craig
Yeah. Ohh then let's not put any search terms. OK, so Twitch streamer called Pooper Noodle applied for a bank account. She chose adult online entertainer as her occupation, right as she was going through the banking application process. She was, you know, as you always done, you're presented with this list. Your teacher bank person. You know others. And she thought, well, I'm the Twitch streamer. Nothing else really applies to being a Twitch streamer. Ohh adult online entertainer. I'm an adult. I'm online and I provide entertainment. Perfect. She put that in and then she says the the bank immediately rejected the application and it was only when she was talking to her mother later that she realised that adult entertainer meant sex worker. And so she felt very frustrated about this. What's interesting to me about this though, is that one of these classic moments where these words like like words, are just useless sometimes to describe reality. So. I can understand why adult and adult online entertainer. To the Twitch stream. Does not mean.
BA Zeke
Sex worker. Yeah. Yeah, I think to anyone who doesn't know that, that's what that means. You would assume that it just means, like, you wouldn't even know what it means. I think is your adult entertainer. What does that refer to?
Dr Craig
Yeah, influence. Totally. You could. Yeah. Yeah. Kardashians, their influencers. And it is one. Of these beautiful moments where we can. See how how you know imperfect language is to explain the world around us, but also the consequences of that right. Like, you know, I think her definition is is valid. Yeah, but she has zero power in this. In this conversation, the bank has all the power, and as we know, when we're putting in bank applications, there's always that moment of kind of self judgement like, OK, I want to get this from the bank. So I got to make sure I present myself well. I want to the bank to see me as a particular person, so I get what I want. On them. So it is fascinating when it fails so remarkably like this, where the bank. Sees the value like it's a value thing, right? So the the, the Twitch streamers or adult entertainer online entertainer as a positive value, and the bank sees it immediately as negative. It's like you can't apply for an account if you're a sex worker, which is problematic.
BA Zeke
Yeah, it is quite, quite.
Dr Craig
Shocking. And we adults online entertainers.
BA Zeke
I'm not gonna say yeah or nay, but based on this story.
Speaker
I mean.
Dr Craig
I mean, I think that's the wonderful kind of messiness of this. And I think also this is interesting idea within this article of. Of the seriousness and humour of it, right, the fact that that the the article takes delight in talking about the Twitch streamers name is Poopa Noodle. Hmm. And it's doing something as serious as applying for a bank. Yeah, it's it's your credit history. Once you start getting rejected from banks. I am assuming it would stick to your credit history.
BA Zeke
Yeah, I think so.
Dr Craig
So yeah, there's a kind of kind of contrast there between just playfulness, right? Twitch streamer, she's young. He's a term. And the seriousness, you know, the formal setting, the bank application, the consequences that might have. And you know, I guess the powerlessness in that scenario, right? You feel like a bit of a deal, but also yeah. The the you've been charged.
Speaker
I'm going to use it.
Dr Craig
Ohh. You know, maybe we could we could be part of the agents of change. I will now hashtag adult online entertainer for all of our content. I reckon if you will go.
Chatbot
Up through the roof.
BA Zeke
There might be, yeah. There might be an audience that that will translate over from that hashtag to. To us, they might stick around.
Dr Craig
I think they'll feel very sad.
Lord Taylor
Hashtag I'm speaking as little as I can, so this is read out in court. I'm not.
Dr Craig
OK. OK. OK. Alrighty. OK. Well, welcome back. To Media Train 99 point. Three last story I want to go over is why you shouldn't trust AI detector. So this is a story talking about how AI detectors, tools that are. Being used to. Identify whether a text was written by a human or a bot. As we've all been part of education systems, we know about one of those tools, Turnitin, which is used to detect plagiarism. What's interesting now is that there are various software providers offering AI detectors which can be run to detect if you know a student's homework was written by a bot. Now what's interesting about this article is that it talks about how these. Detectors, which use language large language models similar to the ones we trained the Sherlock Holmes dramas on to analyse text for patterns, word choice and. Hone have been found to more often than not not be reliable, and the mistakes they're making cause quite a bit of harm, right? There's a number of tweets in this article talking about how also there was one talking about a 52 year old kind of grandma. Actually, now you. Person who was flagged as being submitting work for a bot and didn't even know what chat bots were and was saying you know how. How you know? This this assignment, which they scored zero on. Because the software just flagged it as being created by bots. There's many other cases people you know slaving away at an MSA getting 0 and struggling to defend themselves because the the, the, the tracking software was incorrect, you know? And I think if anything to show at home stories we've been creating. Shown the limitations. Of this, what's the type of? I mean, you're you're currently doing muscles. What's the type of vetting? Science go through at the moment. Turn it in here. Any AI detection software.
Lord Taylor
I think it's just turn it in, yeah.
Dr Craig
Would you be tempted? I mean, there was an interesting story I was reading about a guy that was talking about how he creates his blog posts. I think I mentioned this to you. Yesterday, where he. He uses the chat bot to generate ideas. Then he uses the chat bot to generate definitions. Then he uses the chat bot. The definition to create content, which he then rewrites, but then he puts it through three or four different detectors. A plagiarism detector to make sure it's not plagiarising, and then two or three AI bot detectors to strip away. How they're decoding it as human or bot just so he arrives at a human text by? End of it, at which point I think why not just write it? Start with. That's so much work, yeah. Once you're going through a number of vetting processes and then reediting it, but I guess what's interesting here is this article is also pointing out that people that themselves are getting. What it's like Miss flagged. Incorrectly flagged as being a I.
BA Zeke
Yeah, it's interesting. When I submitted assignments to turn it in. Like I'd always find that like for some reason it would flag stuff that is sighted like I'd have citations and it'd be like this pledge and I go. Well, that's cited.
Dr Craig
There's the little yeah.
BA Zeke
Citation right there.
Dr Craig
Brackets and name and date pay.
BA Zeke
Yeah, exactly. And it would, it would also just like pick up a bunch of just common words and sentences and stuff. So you just said something because it's like it's required to move into the next thing and it goes, that's plagiarised and go. That's very common sentence. So that explains why, and I remember writing it myself, so that's not the case. But yeah. So.
Dr Craig
And did you end? Up changing it like those ones. Which were like a. Dark and stormy night. Yes, it's plagiarised but it's.
BA Zeke
No, I think I usually usually just kept it the same because I was like I assume that if people look at this, they're not gonna go, Oh my God, there's like, what about? It was never like a high percentage, but you look at it and go like, oh, well, that site at this is a common word. This is whatever. But I just found it interesting that everything goes. Through that, and yet it like picks up these things like it's easy to look at it and go, oh, that's not plagiarism. That's not plagiarism, but it's interesting when you just look at the score, it's like, oh, here's your score. Of plagiarism.
Speaker
That's right.
BA Zeke
But you're like, actually like it says, like maybe 15%, but actually it's probably 5% because 10% of it's just like stuff that definitely is sighted and is your own work.
Dr Craig
And there's a little colour. Ohh a little. There's a big colour. Associated with that. So like you know that that percentage might be the difference from. Being a healthy green. I mean to a scary yellow. Who hadn't forbid a red? If you're going to lecture.
BA Zeke
Well, the red that might be, that might be going beyond the realm of return to go to the range.
Dr Craig
Yeah, like, sure, you'll be lucky if they even look at you. What? Yeah, zero. Good luck. Mate. Yeah, quick cut and paste. Little comment there see little extra coordinator. Busted. Yeah, I mean, I. Guess the. Takeaway there is, you know, human experts are still needed.
Lord Taylor
Well, as it says in the article, it's quite interesting they put the constitution of the United States through an AI detector and found that 92.26% was written by AI.
Dr Craig
And this is the Constitution of the United States, written well before.
BA Zeke
Computers. You never. Know, maybe they. Time travel. Yeah, maybe they were.
Dr Craig
Ohh, we're talking alien.
BA Zeke
Robots, maybe? Yeah, founding fathers.
Dr Craig
Media mothership. Yeah. Media mothership where? Used meets aliens. It's one of my clients. I'm just trying out there I. Thought that was smooth. We come in peace. And journalism.
BA Zeke
Yeah, yeah.
Dr Craig
And founding fathers and founding fathers. All right, well, I'll get the AI chat bot to do a funny version of these slogans.
Chatbot
I've searched an.
Dr Craig
Example, no, I don't know how to. Do this easily. Yes. Yes. Interrupting me. Part 2 of media. Now the ship here on a train 90.3 making media experiments with AI. Chat bots so chat bots are becoming increasingly relevant and important today. As we've discussed over the last few shows, they've made impacts on art writing business, so we're experimenting with a couple of recurrent neural networks. Yeah, recurrent to work on scripts from Sherlock Holmes from the 1940s. And we created our own Sherlock Holmes drama. So in this episode, now this section we're looking, we're looking at how deconstructionism possibly could be applied to unpack the experience we've been doing. So what I want to do now is take us through why I think DECONSTRUCTIONISM could be useful as a theory, so it's postponed theory. But there were two things that happened to me as I was exploring and testing the. Work with me. I'll quickly play the original piece.
Lord Taylor
Which we've heard start off a couple of. Times Now well.
Dr Craig
Will I? Should I? Oh yes, I.
Chatbot
Will I have searched and examined everywhere, but I still haven't found Santa Claus.
Lord Taylor
What about his hat, Watson?
Chatbot
No, I have not found his hat.
Speaker 6
Come on, Watson. We need his hat.
Dr Craig
All right. Well, I'm kind of alright hat. So what happens next? They they try and find the. And there's a diamond chicken robot. No. No robots. Diamond emerald chicken.
Lord Taylor
No robot.
Dr Craig
Yeah, or Ruby chicken. All right, chicken. So then I asked ChatGPT to. You know, explain this radius grouped in terms of the theory of ideology. OK, so it came up with a really interesting point. So I'm going to play it now and talk about why I think it's interesting.
Chatbot
This story is clearly meant to be a parody of Sherlock Holmes as it uses absurd dialogue, nonsensical plot elements, and exaggerated characterization to mock the original stories. The story also attempts to link itself to the theory of ideology, which is a set of ideas that shape once perception of reality and justify one's actions and beliefs. The story could be interpreted as a critique of the dominant ideology of Victorian Britain, which was based on imperialism, capitalism, patriarchy and rationalism.
Dr Craig
It's that last one it's. Important rationalism. Remember that. OK.
Chatbot
The story could be seen as exposing the contradictions and absurdities of this ideology by showing how Holmes and Watson are deluded by their own fantasies and prejudices. For example, Holmes believes that he can summon Santa Claus by rubbing his head, which could be seen as a symbol of his childish faith in authority and.
Dr Craig
Order have childish faith in, but he does believe in rationalism and inquiry. That's the beginning of that script, where there's this nonsensical thing about him. Santa and rubbing the hat.
Chatbot
Watson follows Holmes blindly even when he insults him or makes him do ridiculous things, which could be seen as a symbol of his loyalty and obedience to the British Empire.
Dr Craig
The way Watson behaves in the AI drama is weird, right?
Speaker
That's true.
Dr Craig
That he is so well, the aspects of so I mean I guess Holmes behaves weirdly and then Watson says weird stuff that doesn't kind of react to it.
Chatbot
The story also marks the rationality and logic that Holmes is famous for by making him say and do irrational and illogical things such as singing Good King Wenceslas or accusing Missus rush of stealing a diamond and Ruby chicken. The story also plays with gender roles and stereotypes. By having Holmes called Watson my dear goose for my dear Sir or having Watson refer to Holmes as your scoundrel, or you've broken your wife.
Dr Craig
Yeah, and it's a bit of a queering, very clear misogyny and a bit of a queering of the characters of.
Chatbot
How the story also introduces elements of anarchy and chaos into the orderly world of Sherlock Holmes, such as canoes, measles, vinegar, police and.
Dr Craig
Yeah. And that stuff's great because none of that was in the original code and we gave. None of that was in the original scrapes and it was just putting that chaos into it. OK. So it was a beautiful interpretation that the AI did of the text in terms of you know what? We'd hoped for, right? We chose. Are really kind of alpha beta version of software to to train it with and it created something quite nonsensical and then you know what's interesting, getting it tested through concept like ideology is that it it identified that idea of the irrationality of the text and how that was. You know, obviously not at all a fit with a super rational character like Holmes. So the next thing we so that was what? I was saying. OK, that's a really nice piece, right, that that it's it's it's said that what's interesting about this work is that it can, it can have a political statement or like a post modern political statement that's saying, you know we see. We define homes as rational. What happens if he behaves irrationally, right? What does that get us to question? So then I asked. 10 GBT just without connected to that radio drama piece to write another version of it which portray which fitted the Joseph Campbell hero's quest. So we'll play that now at the end of. It's the interesting it goes 2 minutes, 14 does drag. But it's really interesting the end. Of it, with Sherlock Holmes kind of concluding what's going on here.
Chatbot
Opening music. Narrator, welcome to the Hero's journey, a radio drama inspired by Joseph Campbell's iconic storytelling framework. Today we bring you the story of the legendary detective Sherlock Holmes, who embarks on a mystery that will test his wit and challenge his perception of reality. Sound of footsteps? Married her meet Holmes and Watson, 2 inseparable companions who have solved countless cases together. One day, Holmes receives a strange request from an anonymous client who claims that his diamond and Ruby chicken has been stolen. Watson, we have a new case. Someone has stolen a valuable chicken.
Speaker 6
A chicken. That seems like a trivial matter, Holmes.
Chatbot
Not just any chicken, Watson. This chicken is adorned with precious gems. We must find it before it's too late. Married her. The duo sets off on a journey across London following a trail of clues that leads them to the doorstep of missus rush, a peculiar woman who runs a canoe rental business. Mrs Rush, did you steal the diamond and Ruby chicken? Me steal a chick? I have no idea what you're talking about, Mr Holmes.
Speaker 6
Holmes, this is getting absurd. We're interrogating a canoe rental owner about a stolen chicken.
Chatbot
Watson, we must explore every lead, no matter how bizarre it may seem. As the investigation intensifies, the scuffle between Holmes and Watson subsides, revealing a surprising twist that no one could have foreseen. Watson, I have a confession to make. This whole case was a ruse, a mere diversion to distract us from a much larger conspiracy.
Speaker 6
What conspiracy homes?
Chatbot
The conspiracy to undermine the credibility of the greatest detective in the world, Sherlock Holmes. And so the hero's journey comes to an end, leaving us with a sense of mystery and wonder that only a true master of the art could evoke us.
Dr Craig
I think it's. Talking about us at that point, we are the masters of the art. So what I think is really interesting about that is 2 points the. The fact that this could be read as being a a nice satire of rationalism, we have this rational play that we put that the air put together the tailor have cobble together and we played and it's completely rational. And that's interesting, cause yeah, these characters are not irrational. It's all known for the. That then the Heroes Quest version that we got, I got it to do of that drama arrived at this kind of breaking of the 4th wall moment where Sherlock Holmes says there's a twist here. There's there's. This is all a ruse. AI to be self aware.
Lord Taylor
Yeah. Come just.
Dr Craig
We won't do that, of course, but what I think is interesting is, you know, reading meaning into these are really interesting. Because all the computer is doing is. Random. Well, not randomly. It's it's being trained on. This word leads to this word. Homes is defined as this. I'm creating an interrogation based on you know, the application of of of the language training I've gone through. It's it's not necessarily able to. Think or understand what Sherlock Holmes means in a way a human reader could in terms of, you know, the the speculations that could be there further to it, but nevertheless it is arriving at some interesting points. Around so well. So what I wanted to do now. With my Co hosts skills is to take this a step further and do a interview with Holmes and Watson.
Lord Taylor
Because they're here in the studio.
Dr Craig
Now they're in the studio now with us. All right. So we're going to try to do this interview to see how magical making media can be. I I think this is going to be a. Real pinnacle of the show.
Lord Taylor
Oh, yeah, so OK, so.
Speaker
We've got, we've.
Dr Craig
Got this. This wonderful little piece that we'll set up. Here we can.
Lord Taylor
Yep, come in guys.
Dr Craig
All right and. Here we go.
Speaker
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[Sound of radio jingle] Craig: Welcome back to Media Mothership, where we explore the wonders of artificial intelligence and how it can create new stories for our entertainment. Today, we have a very special treat for you: we have invited none other than the world's greatest detective, Sherlock Holmes, and his loyal friend and biographer, Dr. John Watson, to join us in our studio. Welcome, gentlemen! Holmes: Thank you, Craig. It's a pleasure to be here. Watson: Yes, thank you for having us. Taylor: We are delighted to have you here. We are big fans of your adventures, which have been immortalized in books, movies, TV shows, and of course, radio dramas. Holmes: Indeed. I understand that you have been using a new technology to create some of these radio dramas. Craig: That's right. We have been using an AI program that can generate scripts based on your original stories. The results are quite amusing, if not always accurate. Watson: Really? How does it work? Taylor: Well, we feed the AI some keywords or a summary of a plot, and it produces a script for us. Then we perform it live on air with some sound effects and music. Holmes: Fascinating. And what kind of stories does it come up with? Craig: Well, they are usually very absurd and nonsensical. For example, we recently did one where you and Watson had to solve the mystery of a subsiding scuffle. Watson: A subsiding scuffle? Taylor: Yes. Apparently, someone was trying to steal a priceless painting from an art gallery, but they were interrupted by a scuffle that broke out among the guests. However, the scuffle soon subsided, leaving no trace of the culprit or the painting. Holmes: And how did we solve it? Craig: Well, you deduced that the painting was hidden inside a cake that was served at the gallery. You then cut the cake open and revealed the painting. Watson: That's ridiculous! Holmes: Indeed. It sounds like a case for Inspector Lestrade, not for me. Taylor: Well, that's the beauty of AI. It can create stories that no human would ever think of. Holmes: Or want to think of. Watson: Quite so. Craig: Well, we have another script for you today, if you are willing to give it a try. Holmes: Why not? I'm always up for a challenge. Watson: Me too. Taylor: Great! The script is based on this summary: Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson investigate a series of murders committed by a mysterious figure known as The Hound of the Baskervilles. Holmes: Ah, yes. One of our most famous cases. Watson: Indeed. Craig: Well, let's see what the AI has done with it. Here are your scripts. Are you ready? Holmes: Ready as ever. Watson: Let's do this. Craig: All right then. Let's begin! [Sound of dramatic music] Narrator: The Hound of the Baskervilles. A new radio drama by AI. [Sound of howling] Narrator: On a dark and stormy night in Dartmoor, Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson arrive at Baskerville Hall, where they are greeted by Sir Henry Baskerville, the last surviving member of an ancient family that is cursed by a demonic hound.
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Dr Craig
I should put applause at the end. Of that, when we yes. We are. Hold on, let. Me. Let me, I'll I'll do this. There and there we go the the unveiling of the interview with Holmes and Watson and ourselves from media mothership. I thought it worked well enough, yeah.
Lord Taylor
It's good. I'm so sorry. I. Tried to not laugh.
Dr Craig
Ohh I I think. It added a certain human flavour to it. At absurdity, when I found really fun about the script, so this of course was a script generated purely by the chat bots, was that it's again, in a really postmodern way, then the drama it created. So we have Holmes and Watson in, and then it sets up this idea that we're going to be doing a live reading. With them of of a new drama that it's called. You know what is it? The child comes. Doctor Watson, investigate a series of murders committed by a mysterious figure known as The Hound of the Baskervilles. That the actual book hound of the Baskervilles is is committing murders. Which I think is wonderfully personal, that you know the text is never complete, right? The text can always have more to it. Fan, fiction, AI, radio dramas, or in fact, the book itself becomes a murderer. And they go with. It. Oh, yes, it's one of. Most famous cases, of course, it's going to be killing people, you know? Weird, literal sense. So then it goes off into this. Actually the thing that I found stood up really well was when it did like, I quite enjoyed the the the intro to the radio drama. Yeah. I thought that was. Actually a proper radio. Summer intro a. Bit of wolf sound effect on the back. And the dramatic music was there and I said, yeah, I could.
BA Zeke
Listen to that. That's really. I also I like. The narrative voice. That's good, yeah.
Dr Craig
Yeah. Divas it is. I always cast Divas and you hear a lot of Divas on that show. His AI voice is the smoothest I find from the clip Champ software, I use any other surprises from that?
BA Zeke
Yeah, yeah.
Lord Taylor
It means no.
Dr Craig
I mean, I think I think it could have been a bit more matter because I did ask them to comment about the subsiding scruffles script, which is notoriously bad, but the AI. So I sent a link to it. I said, you know and mentioned this link to the script, but the AI didn't read the script and just goes off. On a on. A and and equally well not equally, I think slightly more intelligent story about a cake at a gallery opening with a painting inside it.
Lord Taylor
Well, I think it worked. So yeah, if if we're not going to be doing more interviews with, you know, famous figures. And figures from fiction. Then we'll be doing it on my show. I'm definitely. Gonna be doing it? Yeah, sure.
Dr Craig
With some K pop artists. Alright, well I think proof of concepts there and further investigating the impact of post modernism in AI here on medium. Oh, so yeah, let. Me wrap up probably I've got. A wrap up script at the end of this show. Thanks for listening. This has been doctor Craig joined as always by Lord Taylor and BA Zeke. On media mothership on Edge radio. I'm going to do the main points because I can't remember show notes are available for the episode on YouTube and Twitch as well as your podcast supplier next week. I'm really not sure. We're going to do more. I'm going to play more home stuff, I think, OK. And I haven't quite finished scratching that itch. Yeah, so keep listening to Edge Radio coming up next. Keep popping. Yeah.
Lord Taylor
It's a good show.
Dr Craig
Yeah, you know. So. So yeah. So some more music to enjoy that. Been Edge radio media mothership. For another week.
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